[Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.

[Roy Garner]

Hi, Frank
To get your letters to the editor published, make them short, sweet and 
preferably so devoid of detail that they can be classified an 'opinion 
piece'.  I've had plenty printed in my time, and it's a wonder that 
most have been printed in their entirety (some very long, like my 
letter of Simon Townsend's view that anti-Vietnam war activists didn't 
end the war--which is, of course, why we held demonstrations outside 
Victoria Barracks when he was imprisoned there!!).
So the wisdom on how to get letters published is largely lost on me.  
We all know where to get our letters published these days, and the 
printed media can go hang!  By all means, submit them to the dailies so 
that the letters editor can feel rotten when they refuse to publish, 
but go to indymedia, substantiate your claims, give links, keep the 
discourse above the waistline...
Frankly, I think liberally sprinkling you prose with the f word is a 
kind of phony proletarianism. Most people turn off when you start to 
throw it at them!
Cheers!

On 02/04/2007, at 12:42 PM, frank wrote:

> Which message are u referring to Clemens?
>
> Are u referring to the one where i used the "f" word?  If so, that's 
> exactly
> what i'm on about in my reply to Roy's post re Nazis.  Millions of
> Australians don't find the word offensive.  Instead we see it as a very
> descriptive term to describe an extremely bad situation, a sex act and 
> a way
> to express an urgent request.  eg "f off".  However, there are 
> intolerant
> people who object to the use of the word, because of some warped view.
>
> I maintain, that while they are allowed to hold those views, they are 
> not
> allowed to force their views on the rest of us.  They must accept the 
> fact
> that we don't hold these views.
>
> U will, however note that i don't use that kind of language often.  
> Only
> when a point needs to be emphasized.
>
> Although from the thrust of your post, i get the impression that u are
> talking about more than that particular post.  Much along the lines 
> Chris
> attempted to use.  "worrying"
>
> The people  i was "short", (i never swore at them), with were all 
> having a
> go at me personally, not debating the issues i raised.  Or even worse,
> coming back with absurd arguments.  Despite this, i gave Roy tips on 
> how to
> get his letters to the editor published, debated their arguments, and
> answered any criticisms i was going to bother with.
>
> Therefore i think picking on me, only, is a bit harsh.  And, yes, i 
> believe
> u are, in the nicest possible way, of coarse, asking for, "censorship
> (ouch...) on this mailing list."
>
> frank brown
>
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>> Message especially for Frank...
>>
>> While I generally appreciate your contributions to this green-activist
>> mailing
>> list I must admit that I have been frequently taken aback over the
>> language
>> you choose to use in your posts.
>>
>> In general standards in Australia are slipping fast. The fact that
>> standards
>> have deteriorated over the years in my mind does not give you licence.
>>
>> If you would take the time to develop your argument without having to
>> revert
>> to outright profanities I suggest people would value your posts and 
>> your
>> position more.
>>
>> I do not wish to impose moderation or censorship (ouch...) on this 
>> mailing
>> list. Your message today makes it hard for me to wholeheartedly 
>> maintain
>> that
>> position.
>>
>> Please consider.
>>
>> Have a great weekend,
>>
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>> Clemens Vermeulen
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>> Alternative News Network
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