[Green-Activist] Bush family closet of skeletons

Mon Apr 2 14:29:45 EST 2007

Roy,

I know i was pretty liberal with the word Nazi.  I used it because the German regime which operated under that name has come to represent the worst in intolerance, racism, and suppression.  I did not use it in the context that the institutions referred to were actually Nationalist Socialist party members.

That's actually putting the cart before the horse.  The Nationalist Socialists grew out of the intolerance, racism and suppression practiced, mainly by Christian extremists, in the last couple of thousand years, and by other religious extremists for much longer than that.  As did most of the other "ists". 

Sure, the Nazis were extreme extremists who took intolerance, racism and suppression to extreme levels, much like terrorists, the "ethnic cleansers", (ever wondered why they're called that?) and governments controlled by Religious, (Christians are no longer alone), extremists do today.

It's hard, and i think, wrong, to give this pheromone any other name, other than intolerance.  Humans should not, as a species, tolerate the intolerant in any way, shape, or form.

Until this is a fact, humans are doomed.  One way or another.

frank brown

Ps "racist murders" is actually what "ethnic cleansers" are.  Why aren't they called that?  Spin u think?

From: Roy Garner 
  To: maillist for Green Activists 
  Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Bush family closet of skeletons

  Hi, Frank
  You've been pretty liberal in your use of the term 'Nazi', so I'd like to reflect on this for a moment.
  I think historical specificity is a greatly sobering approach to analysing the emergence of such political manifestations as Nazism in German from the 1920s to mid-1940s. 
  Seeing things in their historical context is important if we, as social commentators, are not to become a little extreme ourselves in the way we see things. 
  The political manifestation known as Nazism, of course, continues to be raked over by historians, and it would seem that there's no end to the revelations of this thoroughly bad regime, or kakocracy (rule by the bad or criminals). Finding historical associations with people who really were Nazis is useful if we are to fully understand the extent of this regime's influence, and certainly proof of a cash or trade nexus, such as shown in the John Buchanan investigation, is pretty unambiguous. 
  It's important to know that some family dynasties profited from their trade with the Nazis—"national socialists" ("nationalists" YES, "socialists" NO!!)—and it's important to follow the paper trail because the Nazis were thieves who worked out elaborate schemes to conceal the money and other treasure they stole from their victims.
  Sometimes the trail runs dead against the wall of silence from certain banking institutions. There have been some embarrassing revelations on stolen art, but much still remains hidden. 
  Most important, if you have the urge to compare the Nazis with anyone else, as you seem to do indiscriminately, you must remember the Nazis stole people's lives and inflicted unspeakable suffering on generations of survivors, including their own. 
  The so-called 'concentration' camps were in fact death camps, and those of its inmates who walked free were indeed lucky. Imprisoned were Jews and gypsies, political prisoners, gays...Those who were fit were pressed into slave labour until they were deemed no longer useful—exhausted, weak, ill. Women and children, the old, the weak and the sick often went straight to their deaths in purpose-built extermination chambers. The commencement of the Nazis' so-called 'Thousand Year Reich" threatened another 'dark age' for the world, but for those who lived through it, it was a dark age.
  The Nazis burnt books, destroyed synagogues, invaded neighbouring countries, inflicted death and destruction on subject populations and deported many of these to death camps. They forced their own people to conform to their single party state apparatus. Swastika flags were displayed everywhere and the population subjected to displays of senseless marching, and screaming, bigoted rallies. Neighbour was set against neighbour. The state intruded into the classroom and the nation's youth regimented into the Nazi doctrine of hatred and suspicion, encouraged even to inform on their own families. Doctors conspired at the outset to exterminate their own nationals judged to be genetically inferior (eugenics)—mentally ill, intellectually deficient or physically deformed. This formed the basis of their more ambitious campaign against Jewish populations throughout occupied Europe, known as "the final solution". 
  What about Stalin, you may protest. And I agree Stalin presided over a state that was 'socialist' in name only, and deadly to its opponents. Like the Nazis in Germany and its Axis nations, the Stalinist era was characterised by fear and conformity of its people, and by mass murder. Enemies of the state were savagely suppressed, with millions incarcerated or "disappeared"—a death toll exceeding the Nazis' estimated 11 million. 
  As one of the Allies against Hitler, the USSR was devastated by the Nazis' invasion, losing more of its population than any other occupied country—a fact still dimly understood. But this tragedy was no excuse for the world turning a blind eye to the crimes of Stalinism. 
  To my mind, there's no way you can pin such an historically specific label as "Nazi" on Australian political parties, even though the current government has done many things I would regard as unambiguously undemocratic and in breach of human rights, and certainly the Coalition politicians continue to diminish Australia in the eyes of the world with their meanness and cynicism.
  I think the Government's complicity in the invasion of Iraq is illegal and criminal, and many of the weapons of mass destruction employed in the invasion/occupation are outlawed under international agreements. A change in Administration in the US (not possible under a Nazi regime like Germany's) will see the current crop of baddies thrown out, and some are already being prosecuted or face it. Some will also unfortunately get away with it.
  The Howard government's record so far is certainly worthy of our condemnation, and it would certainly rack up its unpopularity were it to pass legislation to disfranchise sections of the population (but the current system of representation does that, anyway!). It has denied respect and safe haven to boat people, and it has imprisoned many of these in hellish 'concentration camps', though there are not to my knowledge any facilities in these camps to exterminate the inmates. Australians have not been rounded up or summarily executed and dumped in anonymous mass graves simply for expressing their opposition to the Howard Government, and there have been no book burnings, or any of the other historically specific manifestations of fascism in Europe.
  It is such a bad government that it will take many years to reverse some of the changes it has forced on our society, including subjecting it to exaggerated fear of terrorist intrusions. They never think about the affect on children of these 'adult' games. 
  If you are to condemn the Howard government—which it richly deserves—how about giving it an historically specific label of its own?

  On 31/03/2007, at 12:44 PM, frank wrote:

    What Roy!  Didn't u know Bush, Blare and Howard are Nazis.  What'd u think they were?  Boy scouts?  The currant Australian government is Nazi.  The Labor party is Nazi.  If u like, i'll use another term, "religious extremists" which translates to the same thing.  And it doesn't matter what religion it is.

    All religions are intolerant of anyone not conforming to their beliefs.  You've only to look at what Christian extremists have done in this country.  Billions of dollars are wasted trying to prevent the use of recreational drugs both legal and illegal because the Christian extremists, (Nazis) are intolerant of people who use them.

    The religious schools receive more public funds than state schools.  This enables them to, not only have a greater selection of children for their pedophile rings to choose from, but also allows them to brainwash a greater number children.

    Unrealistic drink driving laws have virtually destroyed the social fabric of Australia.  Discriminatory anti smoking laws came into force without a whimper.  Australia's buggered, thanks to these Christian extremists, (Nazi).

    I don't know why we continue to tolerate the intolerant.  I believe religions should be prevented by law from having any contact with children till they've reached the age of consent, at least.

    frank brown

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Roy Garner 
      To: maillist for Green Activists 
      Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:40 AM
      Subject: [Green-Activist] Bush family closet of skeletons

      Dear Activists,

      Digging around in George W. Bush's family history shouldn't shift our focus on the current state of his Administration's culpability for massive death and destruction in their overdetermined campaign against so-called "enemies of the State"--the lies about the weapons of mass destruction, the misplaced blame for 9/11, the massive deaths of civilians in Iraq alone, now estimated at 650,000 (Lancet study, reported at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17429.htm)

      The 'embedded' nature of war profiteering, however, should not surprise us, as former President and Second World War Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe, General Dwight D. Eisenhower warned in his Farewell Address to the Nation, where he coined the term 'industrial military complex'.
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17429.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower

      Veteran US investigative journalist John Buchanan's interview on the Bush family's Nazi links can be found at http://www.ichblog.eu/index.php?option=com_seyret&task=videodirectlink&id=55575

      Documents found in the US National Archives and the Library of Congress convince Buchanan that Bush predecessors were "Nazi traitors to the country who should have been tried for treason".

      What do you think?

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