[Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.

[frank]

Hip!  Hip!  Hooray.  Roy.

What's the point?  U don't like the "f" word?  Shame.  But i can assure u, 
u're not the majority.  Most people couldn't care less.

frank brown

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
To: "maillist for Green Activists" <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.


> Hi, Frank
> To get your letters to the editor published, make them short, sweet and
> preferably so devoid of detail that they can be classified an 'opinion
> piece'.  I've had plenty printed in my time, and it's a wonder that
> most have been printed in their entirety (some very long, like my
> letter of Simon Townsend's view that anti-Vietnam war activists didn't
> end the war--which is, of course, why we held demonstrations outside
> Victoria Barracks when he was imprisoned there!!).
> So the wisdom on how to get letters published is largely lost on me.
> We all know where to get our letters published these days, and the
> printed media can go hang!  By all means, submit them to the dailies so
> that the letters editor can feel rotten when they refuse to publish,
> but go to indymedia, substantiate your claims, give links, keep the
> discourse above the waistline...
> Frankly, I think liberally sprinkling you prose with the f word is a
> kind of phony proletarianism. Most people turn off when you start to
> throw it at them!
> Cheers!
>
> On 02/04/2007, at 12:42 PM, frank wrote:
>
>> Which message are u referring to Clemens?
>>
>> Are u referring to the one where i used the "f" word?  If so, that's
>> exactly
>> what i'm on about in my reply to Roy's post re Nazis.  Millions of
>> Australians don't find the word offensive.  Instead we see it as a very
>> descriptive term to describe an extremely bad situation, a sex act and
>> a way
>> to express an urgent request.  eg "f off".  However, there are
>> intolerant
>> people who object to the use of the word, because of some warped view.
>>
>> I maintain, that while they are allowed to hold those views, they are
>> not
>> allowed to force their views on the rest of us.  They must accept the
>> fact
>> that we don't hold these views.
>>
>> U will, however note that i don't use that kind of language often.
>> Only
>> when a point needs to be emphasized.
>>
>> Although from the thrust of your post, i get the impression that u are
>> talking about more than that particular post.  Much along the lines
>> Chris
>> attempted to use.  "worrying"
>>
>> The people  i was "short", (i never swore at them), with were all
>> having a
>> go at me personally, not debating the issues i raised.  Or even worse,
>> coming back with absurd arguments.  Despite this, i gave Roy tips on
>> how to
>> get his letters to the editor published, debated their arguments, and
>> answered any criticisms i was going to bother with.
>>
>> Therefore i think picking on me, only, is a bit harsh.  And, yes, i
>> believe
>> u are, in the nicest possible way, of coarse, asking for, "censorship
>> (ouch...) on this mailing list."
>>
>> frank brown
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Clemens Vermeulen - Listmaster" <listmaster at altnews.com.au>
>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:21 PM
>> Subject: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.
>>
>>
>>> Message especially for Frank...
>>>
>>> While I generally appreciate your contributions to this green-activist
>>> mailing
>>> list I must admit that I have been frequently taken aback over the
>>> language
>>> you choose to use in your posts.
>>>
>>> In general standards in Australia are slipping fast. The fact that
>>> standards
>>> have deteriorated over the years in my mind does not give you licence.
>>>
>>> If you would take the time to develop your argument without having to
>>> revert
>>> to outright profanities I suggest people would value your posts and
>>> your
>>> position more.
>>>
>>> I do not wish to impose moderation or censorship (ouch...) on this
>>> mailing
>>> list. Your message today makes it hard for me to wholeheartedly
>>> maintain
>>> that
>>> position.
>>>
>>> Please consider.
>>>
>>> Have a great weekend,
>>>
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>>> Alternative News Network
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