[Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.

Roy Garner rrgarner at bigpond.net.au
Mon Apr 2 15:39:04 EST 2007 

Hi, Frank

Did I effing say I didn't like the effing word?
Well, that's effing news to me.
Roy
...
Point is it's okay if you're a Peter effing Carey writing about Ned 
effing Kelly.
But if you wish to be an expletive deleted, you'll find your sweet 
words defeated!


On 02/04/2007, at 2:40 PM, frank wrote:

> Hip!  Hip!  Hooray.  Roy.
>
> What's the point?  U don't like the "f" word?  Shame.  But i can 
> assure u,
> u're not the majority.  Most people couldn't care less.
>
> frank brown
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "maillist for Green Activists" 
> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing 
> list.
>
>
>> Hi, Frank
>> To get your letters to the editor published, make them short, sweet 
>> and
>> preferably so devoid of detail that they can be classified an 'opinion
>> piece'.  I've had plenty printed in my time, and it's a wonder that
>> most have been printed in their entirety (some very long, like my
>> letter of Simon Townsend's view that anti-Vietnam war activists didn't
>> end the war--which is, of course, why we held demonstrations outside
>> Victoria Barracks when he was imprisoned there!!).
>> So the wisdom on how to get letters published is largely lost on me.
>> We all know where to get our letters published these days, and the
>> printed media can go hang!  By all means, submit them to the dailies 
>> so
>> that the letters editor can feel rotten when they refuse to publish,
>> but go to indymedia, substantiate your claims, give links, keep the
>> discourse above the waistline...
>> Frankly, I think liberally sprinkling you prose with the f word is a
>> kind of phony proletarianism. Most people turn off when you start to
>> throw it at them!
>> Cheers!
>>
>> On 02/04/2007, at 12:42 PM, frank wrote:
>>
>>> Which message are u referring to Clemens?
>>>
>>> Are u referring to the one where i used the "f" word?  If so, that's
>>> exactly
>>> what i'm on about in my reply to Roy's post re Nazis.  Millions of
>>> Australians don't find the word offensive.  Instead we see it as a 
>>> very
>>> descriptive term to describe an extremely bad situation, a sex act 
>>> and
>>> a way
>>> to express an urgent request.  eg "f off".  However, there are
>>> intolerant
>>> people who object to the use of the word, because of some warped 
>>> view.
>>>
>>> I maintain, that while they are allowed to hold those views, they are
>>> not
>>> allowed to force their views on the rest of us.  They must accept the
>>> fact
>>> that we don't hold these views.
>>>
>>> U will, however note that i don't use that kind of language often.
>>> Only
>>> when a point needs to be emphasized.
>>>
>>> Although from the thrust of your post, i get the impression that u 
>>> are
>>> talking about more than that particular post.  Much along the lines
>>> Chris
>>> attempted to use.  "worrying"
>>>
>>> The people  i was "short", (i never swore at them), with were all
>>> having a
>>> go at me personally, not debating the issues i raised.  Or even 
>>> worse,
>>> coming back with absurd arguments.  Despite this, i gave Roy tips on
>>> how to
>>> get his letters to the editor published, debated their arguments, and
>>> answered any criticisms i was going to bother with.
>>>
>>> Therefore i think picking on me, only, is a bit harsh.  And, yes, i
>>> believe
>>> u are, in the nicest possible way, of coarse, asking for, "censorship
>>> (ouch...) on this mailing list."
>>>
>>> frank brown
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Clemens Vermeulen - Listmaster" <listmaster at altnews.com.au>
>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:21 PM
>>> Subject: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing 
>>> list.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Message especially for Frank...
>>>>
>>>> While I generally appreciate your contributions to this 
>>>> green-activist
>>>> mailing
>>>> list I must admit that I have been frequently taken aback over the
>>>> language
>>>> you choose to use in your posts.
>>>>
>>>> In general standards in Australia are slipping fast. The fact that
>>>> standards
>>>> have deteriorated over the years in my mind does not give you 
>>>> licence.
>>>>
>>>> If you would take the time to develop your argument without having 
>>>> to
>>>> revert
>>>> to outright profanities I suggest people would value your posts and
>>>> your
>>>> position more.
>>>>
>>>> I do not wish to impose moderation or censorship (ouch...) on this
>>>> mailing
>>>> list. Your message today makes it hard for me to wholeheartedly
>>>> maintain
>>>> that
>>>> position.
>>>>
>>>> Please consider.
>>>>
>>>> Have a great weekend,
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Clemens Vermeulen
>>>> Listmaster
>>>> Alternative News Network
>>>> listmaster at altnews.com.au
>>>>
>>>> contact: http://clemens.vermeulen.id.au/contact
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