[Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.

frank wetherbystn at bigpond.com
Thu Apr 5 10:25:26 EST 2007 

The problem was Roy, i might just be dumb, (i don't think so though), but i 
couldn't figure out what the point of the original post was.  Even though u 
didn't directly say u didn't like the "f" word, that was all i could see 
that u might have been on about.

I could do a Paulene Hanson on u and say. "please explain", but unless it 
really matters, we'll just let it go.

What d ya reckon?

By the way, re letters to the ed in original post.  None of what u wrote 
were the tips i gave u.  What u wrote about short and sweet is what the 
papers say.  If i'm writing a letter it's exactly as long as i want it to 
be.  It'll still get published in it's entirety.

frank brown


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
To: "maillist for Green Activists" <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.


> Hi, Frank
>
> Did I effing say I didn't like the effing word?
> Well, that's effing news to me.
> Roy
> ...
> Point is it's okay if you're a Peter effing Carey writing about Ned
> effing Kelly.
> But if you wish to be an expletive deleted, you'll find your sweet
> words defeated!
>
>
> On 02/04/2007, at 2:40 PM, frank wrote:
>
>> Hip!  Hip!  Hooray.  Roy.
>>
>> What's the point?  U don't like the "f" word?  Shame.  But i can
>> assure u,
>> u're not the majority.  Most people couldn't care less.
>>
>> frank brown
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>> list.
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Frank
>>> To get your letters to the editor published, make them short, sweet
>>> and
>>> preferably so devoid of detail that they can be classified an 'opinion
>>> piece'.  I've had plenty printed in my time, and it's a wonder that
>>> most have been printed in their entirety (some very long, like my
>>> letter of Simon Townsend's view that anti-Vietnam war activists didn't
>>> end the war--which is, of course, why we held demonstrations outside
>>> Victoria Barracks when he was imprisoned there!!).
>>> So the wisdom on how to get letters published is largely lost on me.
>>> We all know where to get our letters published these days, and the
>>> printed media can go hang!  By all means, submit them to the dailies
>>> so
>>> that the letters editor can feel rotten when they refuse to publish,
>>> but go to indymedia, substantiate your claims, give links, keep the
>>> discourse above the waistline...
>>> Frankly, I think liberally sprinkling you prose with the f word is a
>>> kind of phony proletarianism. Most people turn off when you start to
>>> throw it at them!
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> On 02/04/2007, at 12:42 PM, frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which message are u referring to Clemens?
>>>>
>>>> Are u referring to the one where i used the "f" word?  If so, that's
>>>> exactly
>>>> what i'm on about in my reply to Roy's post re Nazis.  Millions of
>>>> Australians don't find the word offensive.  Instead we see it as a
>>>> very
>>>> descriptive term to describe an extremely bad situation, a sex act
>>>> and
>>>> a way
>>>> to express an urgent request.  eg "f off".  However, there are
>>>> intolerant
>>>> people who object to the use of the word, because of some warped
>>>> view.
>>>>
>>>> I maintain, that while they are allowed to hold those views, they are
>>>> not
>>>> allowed to force their views on the rest of us.  They must accept the
>>>> fact
>>>> that we don't hold these views.
>>>>
>>>> U will, however note that i don't use that kind of language often.
>>>> Only
>>>> when a point needs to be emphasized.
>>>>
>>>> Although from the thrust of your post, i get the impression that u
>>>> are
>>>> talking about more than that particular post.  Much along the lines
>>>> Chris
>>>> attempted to use.  "worrying"
>>>>
>>>> The people  i was "short", (i never swore at them), with were all
>>>> having a
>>>> go at me personally, not debating the issues i raised.  Or even
>>>> worse,
>>>> coming back with absurd arguments.  Despite this, i gave Roy tips on
>>>> how to
>>>> get his letters to the editor published, debated their arguments, and
>>>> answered any criticisms i was going to bother with.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore i think picking on me, only, is a bit harsh.  And, yes, i
>>>> believe
>>>> u are, in the nicest possible way, of coarse, asking for, "censorship
>>>> (ouch...) on this mailing list."
>>>>
>>>> frank brown
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Clemens Vermeulen - Listmaster" <listmaster at altnews.com.au>
>>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:21 PM
>>>> Subject: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Message especially for Frank...
>>>>>
>>>>> While I generally appreciate your contributions to this
>>>>> green-activist
>>>>> mailing
>>>>> list I must admit that I have been frequently taken aback over the
>>>>> language
>>>>> you choose to use in your posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> In general standards in Australia are slipping fast. The fact that
>>>>> standards
>>>>> have deteriorated over the years in my mind does not give you
>>>>> licence.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you would take the time to develop your argument without having
>>>>> to
>>>>> revert
>>>>> to outright profanities I suggest people would value your posts and
>>>>> your
>>>>> position more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not wish to impose moderation or censorship (ouch...) on this
>>>>> mailing
>>>>> list. Your message today makes it hard for me to wholeheartedly
>>>>> maintain
>>>>> that
>>>>> position.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please consider.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great weekend,
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Clemens Vermeulen
>>>>> Listmaster
>>>>> Alternative News Network
>>>>> listmaster at altnews.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>> contact: http://clemens.vermeulen.id.au/contact
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