[Green-Activist] C mon guys..

sue arnold suearnold at linknet.com.au
Thu Apr 5 13:39:00 EST 2007 

I m gonna have to get off this list if there cant be some sanity .. there 
are so many major environmental issues which need to be addressed instead of 
this stuff.. may i suggest that those of you who want to dialogue with frank 
set up your own list.  sue arnold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
To: "maillist for Green Activists" <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.


> PS You're right about the letters, Frank
> If you know the papers will only print small opinion pieces, you should
> go elsewhere to beat your drum.
> The internet, as you well know, has overtaken the print media as a
> forum.
>
> On 05/04/2007, at 10:25 AM, frank wrote:
>
>> The problem was Roy, i might just be dumb, (i don't think so though),
>> but i
>> couldn't figure out what the point of the original post was.  Even
>> though u
>> didn't directly say u didn't like the "f" word, that was all i could
>> see
>> that u might have been on about.
>>
>> I could do a Paulene Hanson on u and say. "please explain", but unless
>> it
>> really matters, we'll just let it go.
>>
>> What d ya reckon?
>>
>> By the way, re letters to the ed in original post.  None of what u
>> wrote
>> were the tips i gave u.  What u wrote about short and sweet is what the
>> papers say.  If i'm writing a letter it's exactly as long as i want it
>> to
>> be.  It'll still get published in it's entirety.
>>
>> frank brown
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>> list.
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Frank
>>>
>>> Did I effing say I didn't like the effing word?
>>> Well, that's effing news to me.
>>> Roy
>>> ...
>>> Point is it's okay if you're a Peter effing Carey writing about Ned
>>> effing Kelly.
>>> But if you wish to be an expletive deleted, you'll find your sweet
>>> words defeated!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/04/2007, at 2:40 PM, frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hip!  Hip!  Hooray.  Roy.
>>>>
>>>> What's the point?  U don't like the "f" word?  Shame.  But i can
>>>> assure u,
>>>> u're not the majority.  Most people couldn't care less.
>>>>
>>>> frank brown
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
>>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Frank
>>>>> To get your letters to the editor published, make them short, sweet
>>>>> and
>>>>> preferably so devoid of detail that they can be classified an
>>>>> 'opinion
>>>>> piece'.  I've had plenty printed in my time, and it's a wonder that
>>>>> most have been printed in their entirety (some very long, like my
>>>>> letter of Simon Townsend's view that anti-Vietnam war activists
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> end the war--which is, of course, why we held demonstrations outside
>>>>> Victoria Barracks when he was imprisoned there!!).
>>>>> So the wisdom on how to get letters published is largely lost on me.
>>>>> We all know where to get our letters published these days, and the
>>>>> printed media can go hang!  By all means, submit them to the dailies
>>>>> so
>>>>> that the letters editor can feel rotten when they refuse to publish,
>>>>> but go to indymedia, substantiate your claims, give links, keep the
>>>>> discourse above the waistline...
>>>>> Frankly, I think liberally sprinkling you prose with the f word is a
>>>>> kind of phony proletarianism. Most people turn off when you start to
>>>>> throw it at them!
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/04/2007, at 12:42 PM, frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which message are u referring to Clemens?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are u referring to the one where i used the "f" word?  If so,
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>> what i'm on about in my reply to Roy's post re Nazis.  Millions of
>>>>>> Australians don't find the word offensive.  Instead we see it as a
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> descriptive term to describe an extremely bad situation, a sex act
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> a way
>>>>>> to express an urgent request.  eg "f off".  However, there are
>>>>>> intolerant
>>>>>> people who object to the use of the word, because of some warped
>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I maintain, that while they are allowed to hold those views, they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> allowed to force their views on the rest of us.  They must accept
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> that we don't hold these views.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> U will, however note that i don't use that kind of language often.
>>>>>> Only
>>>>>> when a point needs to be emphasized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although from the thrust of your post, i get the impression that u
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> talking about more than that particular post.  Much along the lines
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> attempted to use.  "worrying"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The people  i was "short", (i never swore at them), with were all
>>>>>> having a
>>>>>> go at me personally, not debating the issues i raised.  Or even
>>>>>> worse,
>>>>>> coming back with absurd arguments.  Despite this, i gave Roy tips
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> how to
>>>>>> get his letters to the editor published, debated their arguments,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> answered any criticisms i was going to bother with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore i think picking on me, only, is a bit harsh.  And, yes, i
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> u are, in the nicest possible way, of coarse, asking for,
>>>>>> "censorship
>>>>>> (ouch...) on this mailing list."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> frank brown
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Clemens Vermeulen - Listmaster" <listmaster at altnews.com.au>
>>>>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>>>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message especially for Frank...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I generally appreciate your contributions to this
>>>>>>> green-activist
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list I must admit that I have been frequently taken aback over the
>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>> you choose to use in your posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general standards in Australia are slipping fast. The fact that
>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>> have deteriorated over the years in my mind does not give you
>>>>>>> licence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you would take the time to develop your argument without having
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> revert
>>>>>>> to outright profanities I suggest people would value your posts
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> position more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not wish to impose moderation or censorship (ouch...) on this
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list. Your message today makes it hard for me to wholeheartedly
>>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please consider.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a great weekend,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Clemens Vermeulen
>>>>>>> Listmaster
>>>>>>> Alternative News Network
>>>>>>> listmaster at altnews.com.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> contact: http://clemens.vermeulen.id.au/contact
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