[Green-Activist] C mon guys..
Roy Garner
rrgarner at bigpond.net.au
Thu Apr 5 15:59:12 EST 2007
Thanks, Sue
You're right, of course.
Roy
On 05/04/2007, at 1:39 PM, sue arnold wrote:
> I m gonna have to get off this list if there cant be some sanity ..
> there
> are so many major environmental issues which need to be addressed
> instead of
> this stuff.. may i suggest that those of you who want to dialogue with
> frank
> set up your own list. sue arnold
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
> list.
>
>
>> PS You're right about the letters, Frank
>> If you know the papers will only print small opinion pieces, you
>> should
>> go elsewhere to beat your drum.
>> The internet, as you well know, has overtaken the print media as a
>> forum.
>>
>> On 05/04/2007, at 10:25 AM, frank wrote:
>>
>>> The problem was Roy, i might just be dumb, (i don't think so though),
>>> but i
>>> couldn't figure out what the point of the original post was. Even
>>> though u
>>> didn't directly say u didn't like the "f" word, that was all i could
>>> see
>>> that u might have been on about.
>>>
>>> I could do a Paulene Hanson on u and say. "please explain", but
>>> unless
>>> it
>>> really matters, we'll just let it go.
>>>
>>> What d ya reckon?
>>>
>>> By the way, re letters to the ed in original post. None of what u
>>> wrote
>>> were the tips i gave u. What u wrote about short and sweet is what
>>> the
>>> papers say. If i'm writing a letter it's exactly as long as i want
>>> it
>>> to
>>> be. It'll still get published in it's entirety.
>>>
>>> frank brown
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>>> list.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Frank
>>>>
>>>> Did I effing say I didn't like the effing word?
>>>> Well, that's effing news to me.
>>>> Roy
>>>> ...
>>>> Point is it's okay if you're a Peter effing Carey writing about Ned
>>>> effing Kelly.
>>>> But if you wish to be an expletive deleted, you'll find your sweet
>>>> words defeated!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02/04/2007, at 2:40 PM, frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hip! Hip! Hooray. Roy.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the point? U don't like the "f" word? Shame. But i can
>>>>> assure u,
>>>>> u're not the majority. Most people couldn't care less.
>>>>>
>>>>> frank brown
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
>>>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this
>>>>> mailing
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Frank
>>>>>> To get your letters to the editor published, make them short,
>>>>>> sweet
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> preferably so devoid of detail that they can be classified an
>>>>>> 'opinion
>>>>>> piece'. I've had plenty printed in my time, and it's a wonder
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> most have been printed in their entirety (some very long, like my
>>>>>> letter of Simon Townsend's view that anti-Vietnam war activists
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> end the war--which is, of course, why we held demonstrations
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>> Victoria Barracks when he was imprisoned there!!).
>>>>>> So the wisdom on how to get letters published is largely lost on
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>> We all know where to get our letters published these days, and the
>>>>>> printed media can go hang! By all means, submit them to the
>>>>>> dailies
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> that the letters editor can feel rotten when they refuse to
>>>>>> publish,
>>>>>> but go to indymedia, substantiate your claims, give links, keep
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> discourse above the waistline...
>>>>>> Frankly, I think liberally sprinkling you prose with the f word
>>>>>> is a
>>>>>> kind of phony proletarianism. Most people turn off when you start
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> throw it at them!
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/04/2007, at 12:42 PM, frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which message are u referring to Clemens?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are u referring to the one where i used the "f" word? If so,
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>> what i'm on about in my reply to Roy's post re Nazis. Millions
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Australians don't find the word offensive. Instead we see it as
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> descriptive term to describe an extremely bad situation, a sex
>>>>>>> act
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> a way
>>>>>>> to express an urgent request. eg "f off". However, there are
>>>>>>> intolerant
>>>>>>> people who object to the use of the word, because of some warped
>>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I maintain, that while they are allowed to hold those views, they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> allowed to force their views on the rest of us. They must accept
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>> that we don't hold these views.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> U will, however note that i don't use that kind of language
>>>>>>> often.
>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>> when a point needs to be emphasized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although from the thrust of your post, i get the impression that
>>>>>>> u
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> talking about more than that particular post. Much along the
>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> attempted to use. "worrying"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The people i was "short", (i never swore at them), with were all
>>>>>>> having a
>>>>>>> go at me personally, not debating the issues i raised. Or even
>>>>>>> worse,
>>>>>>> coming back with absurd arguments. Despite this, i gave Roy tips
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>> get his letters to the editor published, debated their arguments,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> answered any criticisms i was going to bother with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore i think picking on me, only, is a bit harsh. And,
>>>>>>> yes, i
>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>> u are, in the nicest possible way, of coarse, asking for,
>>>>>>> "censorship
>>>>>>> (ouch...) on this mailing list."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> frank brown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Clemens Vermeulen - Listmaster"
>>>>>>> <listmaster at altnews.com.au>
>>>>>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>>>>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:21 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message especially for Frank...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I generally appreciate your contributions to this
>>>>>>>> green-activist
>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>> list I must admit that I have been frequently taken aback over
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>> you choose to use in your posts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In general standards in Australia are slipping fast. The fact
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>>> have deteriorated over the years in my mind does not give you
>>>>>>>> licence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you would take the time to develop your argument without
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> revert
>>>>>>>> to outright profanities I suggest people would value your posts
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> position more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not wish to impose moderation or censorship (ouch...) on
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>> list. Your message today makes it hard for me to wholeheartedly
>>>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please consider.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a great weekend,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Clemens Vermeulen
>>>>>>>> Listmaster
>>>>>>>> Alternative News Network
>>>>>>>> listmaster at altnews.com.au
>>>>>>>>
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