[Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.

Mon Apr 9 12:28:47 EST 2007

Yep, Roy,

for once u don't get any argument out of me.

I will add to the last though, one doesn't have to use contraception to 
avoided getting a girl pregnant.  I was sexually active long before the 
pill.  I knew when a woman was ovulating, by when she'd last started her 
periods, before i was 15 years old.  I used to ask that question and take 
appropriate precautions or none.  Which ever was called for.  No shotgun 
wedding for this kid.

frank brown

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
To: "maillist for Green Activists" <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing list.

> Well, Frank
> I'm wondering why we're fannying around here.   It all depends on
> whether or not you're trying to shock people, or declare the level of
> your testosterone or something that completely escapes me, but I really
> can't see the point of peppering your prose with references to the act
> of copulation and the various meanings this word may have in different
> contexts... Oh, I could go on forever with this one, but really there
> are more important things to worry about, for example, the seemingly
> unstoppable explosion in the world's population because people don't
> use contraception when they copulate.  Copulate and populate... ask the
> celibate Pope for marriage guidance, birth control, stupid, eh?
>
> On 05/04/2007, at 10:25 AM, frank wrote:
>
>> The problem was Roy, i might just be dumb, (i don't think so though),
>> but i
>> couldn't figure out what the point of the original post was.  Even
>> though u
>> didn't directly say u didn't like the "f" word, that was all i could
>> see
>> that u might have been on about.
>>
>> I could do a Paulene Hanson on u and say. "please explain", but unless
>> it
>> really matters, we'll just let it go.
>>
>> What d ya reckon?
>>
>> By the way, re letters to the ed in original post.  None of what u
>> wrote
>> were the tips i gave u.  What u wrote about short and sweet is what the
>> papers say.  If i'm writing a letter it's exactly as long as i want it
>> to
>> be.  It'll still get published in it's entirety.
>>
>> frank brown
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>> list.
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Frank
>>>
>>> Did I effing say I didn't like the effing word?
>>> Well, that's effing news to me.
>>> Roy
>>> ...
>>> Point is it's okay if you're a Peter effing Carey writing about Ned
>>> effing Kelly.
>>> But if you wish to be an expletive deleted, you'll find your sweet
>>> words defeated!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/04/2007, at 2:40 PM, frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hip!  Hip!  Hooray.  Roy.
>>>>
>>>> What's the point?  U don't like the "f" word?  Shame.  But i can
>>>> assure u,
>>>> u're not the majority.  Most people couldn't care less.
>>>>
>>>> frank brown
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Roy Garner" <rrgarner at bigpond.net.au>
>>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Frank
>>>>> To get your letters to the editor published, make them short, sweet
>>>>> and
>>>>> preferably so devoid of detail that they can be classified an
>>>>> 'opinion
>>>>> piece'.  I've had plenty printed in my time, and it's a wonder that
>>>>> most have been printed in their entirety (some very long, like my
>>>>> letter of Simon Townsend's view that anti-Vietnam war activists
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> end the war--which is, of course, why we held demonstrations outside
>>>>> Victoria Barracks when he was imprisoned there!!).
>>>>> So the wisdom on how to get letters published is largely lost on me.
>>>>> We all know where to get our letters published these days, and the
>>>>> printed media can go hang!  By all means, submit them to the dailies
>>>>> so
>>>>> that the letters editor can feel rotten when they refuse to publish,
>>>>> but go to indymedia, substantiate your claims, give links, keep the
>>>>> discourse above the waistline...
>>>>> Frankly, I think liberally sprinkling you prose with the f word is a
>>>>> kind of phony proletarianism. Most people turn off when you start to
>>>>> throw it at them!
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/04/2007, at 12:42 PM, frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which message are u referring to Clemens?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are u referring to the one where i used the "f" word?  If so,
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>> what i'm on about in my reply to Roy's post re Nazis.  Millions of
>>>>>> Australians don't find the word offensive.  Instead we see it as a
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> descriptive term to describe an extremely bad situation, a sex act
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> a way
>>>>>> to express an urgent request.  eg "f off".  However, there are
>>>>>> intolerant
>>>>>> people who object to the use of the word, because of some warped
>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I maintain, that while they are allowed to hold those views, they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> allowed to force their views on the rest of us.  They must accept
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> that we don't hold these views.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> U will, however note that i don't use that kind of language often.
>>>>>> Only
>>>>>> when a point needs to be emphasized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although from the thrust of your post, i get the impression that u
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> talking about more than that particular post.  Much along the lines
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> attempted to use.  "worrying"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The people  i was "short", (i never swore at them), with were all
>>>>>> having a
>>>>>> go at me personally, not debating the issues i raised.  Or even
>>>>>> worse,
>>>>>> coming back with absurd arguments.  Despite this, i gave Roy tips
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> how to
>>>>>> get his letters to the editor published, debated their arguments,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> answered any criticisms i was going to bother with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore i think picking on me, only, is a bit harsh.  And, yes, i
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> u are, in the nicest possible way, of coarse, asking for,
>>>>>> "censorship
>>>>>> (ouch...) on this mailing list."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> frank brown
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Clemens Vermeulen - Listmaster" <listmaster at altnews.com.au>
>>>>>> To: "maillist for Green Activists"
>>>>>> <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Green-Activist] Inappropriate language on this mailing
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message especially for Frank...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I generally appreciate your contributions to this
>>>>>>> green-activist
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list I must admit that I have been frequently taken aback over the
>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>> you choose to use in your posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general standards in Australia are slipping fast. The fact that
>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>> have deteriorated over the years in my mind does not give you
>>>>>>> licence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you would take the time to develop your argument without having
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> revert
>>>>>>> to outright profanities I suggest people would value your posts
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> position more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not wish to impose moderation or censorship (ouch...) on this
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list. Your message today makes it hard for me to wholeheartedly
>>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please consider.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a great weekend,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Clemens Vermeulen
>>>>>>> Listmaster
>>>>>>> Alternative News Network
>>>>>>> listmaster at altnews.com.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> contact: http://clemens.vermeulen.id.au/contact
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