[Green-Activist] mail to greens national office

[bill&mika]

Hi Frank after running in two  elections i have come out of it 
understanding that both major parties are evil. I was shafted by both 
the ACTU and the AMWU ( my union). I cringe when members of my branch 
celebrated Rudds win. I  know you are anti lefty types like myself ( i 
am ultra left compared to the ALP) but i can see the ALP destroying the 
union movement while howard strengthened it. I would like to see the 
Greens becoming a real third force but this can only happen with working 
people like myself leaving the ALP and supporting the Greens. This would 
only happen if the rank and file members ousted the ALP union boss 
stooges. What you describe as the internal Greens problem is mirrored in 
the AMWU and other progresive unions. So while i can now see where you 
are comming from you cannot alienate workers that are looking for an 
alternative. The worse thing that could happen is the Greens move to 
becomming a rich class party where the poor and disadvantaged have no say.

Kind regards and peace
bill weller


frank wrote:
> Dear Bill,
> That's exactly where i've always been at odds with moderate greenies and is, 
> in fact, the reason labor stooges have been so successful in manipulating 
> The Greens.
>
> Firstly, if The Greens wait till one, or both of the major parties "falls 
> apart", it'll be too late to reverse the environmental degradation.  Either 
> the political party which caused the major party to fall apart will be in 
> charge, or anarchy will rule.
>
> It's always been my position that The Greens should be the party actively 
> working towards the total annihilation of the major parties.  That isn't 
> achieved by getting into bed with either.
>
> I will guarantee u this Bill, if The Greens had followed strategies put 
> forward by myself and others over the last 20 years, which portrayed both 
> major parties as the enemy and either eradicated or at least minimized the 
> major parties from getting green preferences, the party would be much more 
> popular than it is today.
>
> The Greens aren't stuck anywhere.  The Greens are in exactly the position 
> the labor stooges want it to be.  Moderate greenies in the party swallow the 
> bull shit sprouted by the afore said labor stooges.  Do i need to name them? 
> Basically they are the people who have held the power in management since 
> the party was formed.  The core people haven't changed.  For the most part 
> they're the labor stooges.
>
> I don't think the moderate greenies will ever pluck up the courage to change 
> anything and the labor stooges systemically drive out anyone who will stand 
> up to them.  Even the people who want to make The Greens a party in it's own 
> right are piss weak for letting the labor stooges drive them out.  They 
> tried it on me and got to kick out a couple of their own for their trouble. 
> A person doesn't have to tolerate bullies.
>
> frank brown
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bill&mika" <mikabill at aapt.net.au>
> To: "maillist for Green Activists" <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] mail to greens national office
>
>
>   
>> Hi Frank although i agree that we have not increased our vote and we are
>> tied to the ALP we need to position ourselves somewhere. until one of
>> the major parties falls appart we are stuck in this horrible position.
>> bill weller
>>
>>
>> frank wrote:
>>     
>>> Dear all,
>>> Below is mail i sent to The Greens national office in reply to their
>>> election summery.
>>>
>>> Nice spin, but the fact is The Greens are wallowing in the mud.  The vote
>>> has hardly changed in the last 10 years.
>>>
>>> Keeping The Greens vote low when the environment has become a major 
>>> election
>>> issue is an outstanding achievement for the infiltrators.
>>>
>>> While the party's management remains in the hands of the labor stooges, 
>>> The
>>> Greens can look forward to being a minor party till the environmental
>>> situation degenerates to a state where the world economic system 
>>> collapses
>>> and anarchy rules.  Not too long afterwards humans will probably go 
>>> extinct.
>>> But before we do, we'll probably wipe out most of the other species.
>>>
>>> These events won't be long in coming, so i want the labor stooges who've
>>> succeeded in making The Greens into a preference gatherer for the Labor
>>> Party, rather than a party in it's own right, to remember what they've 
>>> done
>>> as they are being killed and eaten by other humans.
>>>
>>> frank brown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>
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