[Green-Activist] Iraqi war statistics, from Information Clearing House

Sun Jun 17 17:13:00 EST 2007

U got some of the point Roy.  Even to the point of what i "sound" like.  Firstly, "u lefties", I'll Quote U, "Resource wars, yes, have no problem with that, Bind Freddy knows. Blame the power-holders? Sure can. Blame the manipulative information barons? Sure can. But blame common folk downtrodden by their daily lot? Walking on dangerous ground here, Frank."  U actually agreed with me there.  Even though u tried very hard not to admit it.

Carrot munching hippy?  I've got a bit of that in me, but nowhere near as much as u're intimating.  Powerless place?  If i've been amazed by anything in this life, it at the power this place i rage from possesses.

As for Ned and his mates, every one of us is totally responsible for where our actions lead us.  What they epitomize is that they took responsibility for those actions and stood by their principals to the end.  Something that cowards don't do.  By the way, i'm one of those cowards compared to them.  I haven't let the system kill me.  But i have stood by my principals, and will, to the end.

Blame everyone, rich or poor?  Think about it.  If u blame everyone the blame game is pointless.  U can then focus on fixing the problem.  That's the job after all.  

frank brown 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roy Garner 
  To: maillist for Green Activists 
  Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Iraqi war statistics,from Information Clearing House

  You sure paint with a broad brush, Frank, and make unfounded assumptions about "u lefties". Not sure that folk heroes can really help solve society's problems. There are a lot of wily people who have defined themselves against the interests of dominant individuals or classes without offering themselves up as sacrificial lambs or hunted outlaws. Statements like 'cowardly scum' who 'deserve all they get' sort of suggests you are raging at the world from a powerless place, no?
  I'm sure if I ran into you in some remote health food store where I could see the whites of your eyes, I'd find you to be just another old hippy softy munching into your carrot cake and reminiscing about the Aquarius festival!
  Resource wars, yes, have no problem with that, Bind Freddy knows. Blame the power-holders? Sure can. Blame the manipulative information barons? Sure can. But blame common folk downtrodden by their daily lot? Walking on dangerous ground here, Frank. If you want to suggest complicity between common folk and dictatorial leaders, well, yes, we've sure seen enough of that. ...
  'Scuse me, Frank, I've got to take a loaf out of the oven...

  On 17/06/2007, at 2:11 PM, frank wrote:

    Expect more resource wars then.  The people won't have the guts to rid themselves of the maniacs they allow to control their destiny, so plenty more of them will die in the kayos as water rises and oil runs out. 

    Right whack!  If, as i suspect, they are too cowardly to get out from under the yoke.  Cowardly scum allowed this to happen.  Cowardly scum deserve all they get!

    U see Roy, unlike u lefties i don't blame big business or multinationals.  Sure, they are raping this country and the world.  But they are only doing this because ordinary people, (the u's and me's), are allowing them to do so.  We are to blame.  All of us.

    Nowhere else in the world has a population had the role models Australia has had.  The likes of Ned Kelly, Ben Hall, Darkey Gardner and others set an example of not allowing the system to ride rough shod over the little man with impunity, that is unique in the world.  Australians have less excuse than anywhere else for allowing our system to be as bad, if not worse, than anywhere else.  

    frank brown

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Roy Garner 
      To: maillist for Green Activists 
      Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:35 PM
      Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Iraqi war statistics,from Information Clearing House

      Sure is, Frank, and the bloody stuff's running out.

      On 15/06/2007, at 8:37 PM, frank wrote:

        Dear Oil?????

        frank brown

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Roy Garner
          To: maillist for Green Activists
          Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:08 AM
          Subject: [Green-Activist] Iraqi war statistics,from Information Clearing House

          Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's War On Iraq - At Least 655,000 + +
          http://tinyurl.com/usq4x

          Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America'sWar On Iraq 3513
          http://icasualties.org/oif/

          The War in Iraq Costs
          $434,486,289,062

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