[Green-Activist] Iraqi war statistics, from Information Clearing House
Roy Garner
rrgarner at bigpond.net.au
Mon Jun 18 12:49:14 EST 2007
Sure seems to be all mixed up here, Frank. I don't have any difficulty
agreeing with you on some issues, though the way you put it, seems you
think everyone else left their brains in the parking lot, no? I know
you'll agree with me that it's not all black and white the way it used
to be in the days of Hitler and Stalin and the fanatical certainty
these monsters created. But also there are some who still play it that
way, like Bush, Howard and Blair.
"Coward" is what you may be if your back's against the wall and the
assault troops are kicking in the door, but living to fight another day
is to my mind more important than fatal histrionics. It's a metaphor,
I know, and the message is we must face our accusers. Sad, very sad
and tragic that a generation of young Australian youth were sucked into
the Vietnam vortex because their society ill-prepared them for dissent,
and failed to give them the NO word. Urban myth promoted by jingoists
was that the anti-war movement was attacking the Viet conscripts. Some
did, but the majority demanded "Bring the Troops Home!". Their dispute
was with the cynical politicians who sent them to their deaths in the
Viet quagmire. And the same blood-stained murderers are still ruling
the roost in Australia today.
Oh, dear, the scones are burning, see ya!
On 17/06/2007, at 5:13 PM, frank wrote:
> U got some of the point Roy. Even to the point of what i "sound"
> like. Firstly, "u lefties", I'll Quote U, "Resource wars, yes, have
> no problem with that, Bind Freddy knows. Blame the power-holders? Sure
> can. Blame the manipulative information barons? Sure can. But blame
> common folk downtrodden by their daily lot? Walking on dangerous
> ground here, Frank." U actually agreed with me there. Even though u
> tried very hard not to admit it.
>
> Carrot munching hippy? I've got a bit of that in me, but nowhere
> near as much as u're intimating. Powerless place? If i've been
> amazed by anything in this life, it at the power this place i rage
> from possesses.
>
> As for Ned and his mates, every one of us is totally responsible for
> where our actions lead us. What they epitomize is that they took
> responsibility for those actions and stood by their principals to the
> end. Something that cowards don't do. By the way, i'm one of those
> cowards compared to them. I haven't let the system kill me. But i
> have stood by my principals, and will, to the end.
>
> Blame everyone, rich or poor? Think about it. If u blame everyone
> the blame game is pointless. U can then focus on fixing the problem.
> That's the job after all.
>
> frank brown
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Roy Garner
>> To: maillist for Green Activists
>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Iraqi war statistics,from Information
>> Clearing House
>>
>> You sure paint with a broad brush, Frank, and make unfounded
>> assumptions about "u lefties". Not sure that folk heroes can really
>> help solve society's problems. There are a lot of wily people who
>> have defined themselves against the interests of dominant individuals
>> or classes without offering themselves up as sacrificial lambs or
>> hunted outlaws. Statements like 'cowardly scum' who 'deserve all they
>> get' sort of suggests you are raging at the world from a powerless
>> place, no?
>> I'm sure if I ran into you in some remote health food store where I
>> could see the whites of your eyes, I'd find you to be just another
>> old hippy softy munching into your carrot cake and reminiscing about
>> the Aquarius festival!
>> Resource wars, yes, have no problem with that, Bind Freddy knows.
>> Blame the power-holders? Sure can. Blame the manipulative information
>> barons? Sure can. But blame common folk downtrodden by their daily
>> lot? Walking on dangerous ground here, Frank. If you want to suggest
>> complicity between common folk and dictatorial leaders, well, yes,
>> we've sure seen enough of that. ...
>> 'Scuse me, Frank, I've got to take a loaf out of the oven...
>>
>> On 17/06/2007, at 2:11 PM, frank wrote:
>>
>>> Expect more resource wars then. The people won't have the guts to
>>> rid themselves of the maniacs they allow to control their
>>> destiny, so plenty more of them will die in the kayos as water rises
>>> and oil runs out.
>>>
>>> Right whack! If, as i suspect, they are too cowardly to get out
>>> from under the yoke. Cowardly scum allowed this to happen.
>>> Cowardly scum deserve all they get!
>>>
>>> U see Roy, unlike u lefties i don't blame big business or
>>> multinationals. Sure, they are raping this country and the world.
>>> But they are only doing this because ordinary people, (the u's and
>>> me's), are allowing them to do so. We are to blame. All of us.
>>>
>>> Nowhere else in the world has a population had the role
>>> models Australia has had. The likes of Ned Kelly, Ben Hall, Darkey
>>> Gardner and others set an example of not allowing the system to ride
>>> rough shod over the little man with impunity, that is unique in the
>>> world. Australians have less excuse than anywhere else for allowing
>>> our system to be as bad, if not worse, than anywhere else.
>>>
>>> frank brown
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Roy Garner
>>>> To: maillist for Green Activists
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:35 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Iraqi war statistics,from Information
>>>> Clearing House
>>>>
>>>> Sure is, Frank, and the bloody stuff's running out.
>>>>
>>>> On 15/06/2007, at 8:37 PM, frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Oil?????
>>>>>
>>>>> frank brown
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Roy Garner
>>>>>> To: maillist for Green Activists
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:08 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Green-Activist] Iraqi war statistics,from Information
>>>>>> Clearing House
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Number Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's War On Iraq -
>>>>>> At Least 655,000 + +
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/usq4x
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially
>>>>>> acknowledged) In America'sWar On Iraq 3513
>>>>>> http://icasualties.org/oif/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The War in Iraq Costs
>>>>>> $434,486,289,062
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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