[Green-Activist] overpopulation and environment

[frank]

Up u go Sheila.

frank brown

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From: "Sheila N" <smnaesp at alphalink.com.au>
To: "'maillist for Green Activists'" <green-activist at lists.altnews.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] overpopulation and environment


> Australia is populated by people who depend on the animal grazing 
> industry,
> mining, forestry and constant building of new suburbs to survive in less 
> and
> less democratic and pleasant circumstances.  The jobs that people do in 
> the
> cities and suburbs are generated by primary industries.
>
> There are currently 20.5 million Australians living this unsustainable
> life-style in a system which depends on and insists on more and more
> population growth here and globally.  The unsustainable system gets 
> stronger
> and stronger as the population that depends on it increases.
> At the same time our natural systems and our democracy get weaker and
> weaker.
>
> The unsustainable system is held together by advertising and vested 
> interest
> in profits from competition for resources like land for housing, water and
> soil for agriculture. The land, water, housing, mining, finance, building
> materials, forestry, advertising and news-media barons who profit from
> population growth because it generates increased demand for their
> commodities and services get richer and more powerful with every increase 
> in
> population.  So do the middle class property speculators.  People now 
> depend
> on land-speculation to finance their retirements.
>
> Our unsustainable system is propped up by our overpopulation since, in a
> sustainable economy the current population would be reduced to poverty.
> Each household would need to produce much of their own food and trade
> locally. Many do not have the land to do this on or the skills to service
> such local economies.  We would not be able to support major 
> infrastructure,
> technology and education.  A small population, however, could sustain a
> moderately sophisticated economy and society and maintain some technology 
> as
> it powers down.  But we cannot maintain a massive export economy without
> beggaring the environment and we cannot maintain a big population like the
> one we have now without a big export economy.
>
> By this I mean to say that the unsustainable economy depends on the large
> population and the large population depends on the unsustainable economy.
> Maintain one and you maintain the other.
>
> Since downsizing the economy means downsizing the population, don't you
> think that allowing the population to shrink as it would if we didn't have 
> a
> huge drive for townships full of immigrants (economic ones, not refugees) 
> is
> a more sensible idea than trying to bring a juggernaut economy to its 
> knees
> thus causing population attrition through misery, malnutrition brought on 
> by
> unemployment and homelessness?
>
> This seems the obvious corollary to me.
>
> (At 7 million Australian society designed and built aeroplanes and had a
> self-sustaining primary and small business economy.  The society was more
> multicultural before the gold-rush and arguably better educated between 
> the
> two world wars than it is now.)
>
> Sheila Newman
> Vice President
> Sustainable Population Australia
> www.candobetter.org/sheila
>
>
>
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> [mailto:green-activist-bounces at lists.altnews.com.au] On Behalf Of Boris
> Branwhite
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: maillist for Green Activists
> Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] overpopulation and environment
>
> i would be very interested in seeing the data that leads to the conclusion
> that australia is not overpopulated --
> the eco footprint of this countries human inhabitants currently require
> somewhere between 4 and six planets to sustain the demands of its 
> consuming
> population.
> ecological sustainability could be achieved here -- if the current 
> consumers
>
> reduce their footprint by a factor of 6, or if the population is reduced
> severely.
> extinction is permanent -- i am watching and recording the path to
> extinction of 20 species that occur locally, and no other place on 
> earth --
>
> and the cause?
> population growth, and its demands to be housed, employed, and fed.
>
> boris branwhite
> www.whalecall.org
>
> "every drop of rain that falls ends up in the mouths of whales - it is up 
> to
>
> humans to control what substances enter that raindrop during its journey 
> to
> the ocean."
>
>
>> Actually Frank,
>>
>> Australia is not overpopulated. We are killing our land and
>> environment and using up all our resources because of the animal
>> farming industry, which uses about 70% of our grain 30% of our farm
>> able land and rui9ns a whole lot of water, soil and air.
>>
>> It is reprehensible for far more climate changing gasses than
>> transport. The UN has said that this is the issue that should be on
>> top.
>>
>> I'm not ideological, but communism is not the cause of the trouble in
>> china and Russia. the communist ideal was never ever implemented in
>> those countries, because it requires a good deal of good-will
>> alongside with it, which is only something we can evolve.
>>
>> Thus we exist in a series of terrible social situations like feudalism
>> and liberalism according to how materialistic we are. Thus things are
>> getting better. Perhaps the future will resemble socialism.
>>
>> -- 
>> Alistair Dark
>> www.the-defender.org
>> (00 61) 0406 963 407
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