[Green-Activist] Seriously scary
frank
wetherbystn at bigpond.com
Mon Oct 29 19:48:16 EST 2007
Dear Anne,
I'm not scary. Wait till the global crash, which is only a couple or few years away, coupled with people trying to escape rapidly rising sea levels, then the break down of law and order. That'll be scary, especially for women and kids.
All i can say further is, "get real, or u will die soon."
The old, "I won't live to see it," excuse doesn't hold water any more. All anyone has to do is last another four or five years and they'll see the start of it. They might not live to see the end of it. That's all your goody two shoes attitude will get u.
I really don't know why i bother answering u're posts. U either can't read, or u have a serious problem with your memory. I've told u on at least two occasions that i've resigned from The Greens as the party is totally infiltrated and run by Labor stooges. The Greens are about as green as a bitumen road. As are u. I've watched u're posts and u are a dedicated leftie. Not a greenie.
frank brown
----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Goddard
To: maillist for Green Activists
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Seriously scary
Frank...
you are seriously scary.
and i am not religious nor do i have a child with a majour deformity.
Thank God!
I remember another messenger of change that had the same ideas as you.
His name was Adolf Hitler.
Are you sure you are on the right list?
Mefinx you should be seriously joining the libs or one nation. Are you a paid up member of the Greens?
If so, in what branch?
I would strongly recommend your immediate expulsion from the Greens (if i were a member).
sheesh
Anne Goddard
----- Original Message -----
From: frank
To: maillist for Green Activists
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Green-Activist] Seriously scary
Dear John,
good article. However, u've seen on this list how people who have an allegiance to mainstream dogma react when i propose, "a radically different approach". You have personally witnessed the lengths people dedicated to deluding themselves that humans can go on like we are forever, will go to, to shoot the messengers of change.
As any sane human is aware the core problem is religion. Religion removes responsibility from humans and places it squarely in the hands of God. Who as any sane human knows doesn't exist. Try and make any religious fundamentalist see the insanity in their beliefs. Might as well argue the point with a post.
The only answer is to have people who carry the "God gene" declared of unsound mind and exclude them from politics, bureaucracy and remove their right to vote. Also introduce compulsory abortions for all fetuses with genetic problems, of which the "God gene"is one. That way we would eliminate religion in one generation as well as freeing people who are trapped in useless bodies from a life of misery. Big help in lowering human population numbers too.
Watch how the pretend greens react to that bit of, "radically different approach".
frank brown
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hill
To: maillist for Green Activists
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: [Green-Activist] Seriously scary
Dear All:
I thought I would pas this on in case you missed it.
John Hill
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Steep decline in oil production brings risk of war and unrest, says new
study
· Output peaked in 2006 and will fall 7% a year
· Decline in gas, coal and uranium also predicted
Ashley Seager
Monday October 22, 2007
The Guardian
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2196436,00.html
World oil production has already peaked and will fall by half as soon as
2030, according to a report which also warns that extreme shortages of
fossil fuels will lead to wars and social breakdown.
The German-based Energy Watch Group will release its study in London today
saying that global oil production peaked in 2006 - much earlier than most
experts had expected. The report, which predicts that production will now
fall by 7% a year, comes after oil prices set new records almost every day
last week, on Friday hitting more than $90 (£44) a barrel.
Article continues
"The world soon will not be able to produce all the oil it needs as demand
is rising while supply is falling. This is a huge problem for the world
economy," said Hans-Josef Fell, EWG's founder and the German MP behind the
country's successful support system for renewable energy.
The report's author, Joerg Schindler, said its most alarming finding was the
steep decline in oil production after its peak, which he says is now behind
us.
The results are in contrast to projections from the International Energy
Agency, which says there is little reason to worry about oil supplies at the
moment.
However, the EWG study relies more on actual oil production data which, it
says, are more reliable than estimates of reserves still in the ground. The
group says official industry estimates put global reserves at about 1.255
gigabarrels - equivalent to 42 years' supply at current consumption rates.
But it thinks the figure is only about two thirds of that.
Global oil production is currently about 81m barrels a day - EWG expects
that to fall to 39m by 2030. It also predicts significant falls in gas, coal
and uranium production as those energy sources are used up.
Britain's oil production peaked in 1999 and has already dropped by half to
about 1.6 million barrels a day.
The report presents a bleak view of the future unless a radically different
approach is adopted. It quotes the British energy economist David Fleming as
saying: "Anticipated supply shortages could lead easily to disturbing scenes
of mass unrest as witnessed in Burma this month. For government, industry
and the wider public, just muddling through is not an option any more as
this situation could spin out of control and turn into a complete meltdown
of society."
Mr Schindler comes to a similar conclusion. "The world is at the beginning
of a structural change of its economic system. This change will be triggered
by declining fossil fuel supplies and will influence almost all aspects of
our daily life."
Jeremy Leggett, one of Britain's leading environmentalists and the author of
Half Gone, a book about "peak oil" - defined as the moment when maximum
production is reached, said that both the UK government and the energy
industry were in "institutionalised denial" and that action should have been
taken sooner.
"When I was an adviser to government, I proposed that we set up a taskforce
to look at how fast the UK could mobilise alternative energy technologies in
extremis, come the peak," he said. "Other industry advisers supported that.
But the government prefers to sleep on without even doing a contingency
study. For those of us who know that premature peak oil is a clear and
present danger, it is impossible to understand such complacency."
Mr Fell said that the world had to move quickly towards the massive
deployment of renewable energy and to a dramatic increase in energy
efficiency, both as a way to combat climate change and to ensure that the
lights stayed on. "If we did all this we may not have an energy crisis."
He accused the British government of hypocrisy. "Tony Blair and Gordon Brown
have talked a lot about climate change but have not brought in proper
policies to drive up the use of renewables," he said. "This is why they are
left talking about nuclear and carbon capture and storage. "
Yesterday, a spokesman for the Department of Business and Enterprise said:
"Over the next few years global oil production and refining capacity is
expected to increase faster than demand. The world's oil resources are
sufficient to sustain economic growth for the foreseeable future. The
challenge will be to bring these resources to market in a way that ensures
sustainable, timely, reliable and affordable supplies of energy."
The German policy, which guarantees above-market payments to producers of
renewable power, is being adopted in many countries - but not Britain, where
renewables generate about 4% of the country's electricity and 2% of its
overall energy needs
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